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1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)
do not despise prophetic utterances.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;
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Here is a question that I got from a friend on Facebook.
If the letters to your friend Timothy ARE in fact from God, then that means that the prophecies in those letters MUST happen.....right? Since prophecy from our God is 100% accurate...
The reason I ask is because I have known sooooo many people who claim to have been given a message or revelation from God....and they boldly predict events to come....but they end up being wrong. (Which means either the one who gave them the message is a lier, or they faked the whole thing.)
Lets always discern what we hear and read. A huge event of the end times is people falling away.
Here is a reply, that I punched out on my crusty old laptop ...
Hi there.There is always tension when a prophet issues something from God. On the one hand, one should not despise prophecies. On the other hand, one should pay attention to cry false and to shun a corrupt source if and when their words show to be untrue. So, the tension is in looking at both the current word and all the words as a whole.
It gets easier once you find a fault, because you no longer have to deal with the source. One fault or error in what a prophet states and they are no longer to ever be viewed as God's messenger again.
It is difficult when someone has yet to be seen as false, because even though confidence is gained by the certainty and accuracy of their prophecies, one cannot use that confidence to rubber-stamp approval on any future prophecies or to turn a blind eye to what was said even from the beginning. All of it as a whole and every detain therein should be constantly re-examined and shown to be true. It should be always shown to be spotless in any examination or it should be treated as no better than the book of mormon or other demonstrably erroneous so-called prophecies.
I believe Timothy is true and is receiving from God. Nevertheless, I am always looking for new ways to nail down what is said and keep track of it with the rigor that it deserves. Does this mean that I am still skeptical? Well, I must admit that I certainly do believe it is authentic, but that does not give me the escape to treat the Words lightly or to quit testing them.
God speaks to me, not like Timothy, but in the Voice within. And even though it is from Him, I don't always hear it right and want Him to reaffirm His words over and over until I understand clearly. This going over and over would apply even more to any voice from God outside of my heart claiming to be from God.
I have spreadsheets, with predictions in the Letters, and links back to when (the date of origin) they were issued and the latest possible fulfillment thereof. When Timothy saw what I was doing, and making with the spreadsheets, he offered to help and has added to the list ... even from among his private letters (as opposed to the published letters on the site and pdf.)
I wish there were more people that took this approach to the integrity of what Timothy is delivering, but I don't know of anyone else that is doing it. Just what I am doing with Timothy's help as far as I am aware.
Anyway, you are right to say that one falsehood demolishes the ministry of any prophet. When I first set out to read the Letters, I was looking for that one falsehood. Now, several years later, I still am on the lookout, even though I stand convinced of them.
So, my advice to you would be to never take my word for it or anyone else's. Examine and test things for yourself with much prayer and much going over and over in prayer to see if you are really hearing right and really giving the situation the due gravity that it deserves.
This is not a time for herd mentality and just going along with the crowd, letting them decide things for you. The crowd is notoriously led astray, and prone to error. This is a time for study and prayer and to live with integrity before the Lord ... for when we are called to account for this life, the crowd will not be standing next to us as a defense if we get things wrong. We each will stand before Him and He is able to make us stand. Therefore, with stamina and longsuffering, let us be diligent with what is before us, so that on that day we will have no regrets.
Ripening for the harvest,
Trent
If I had a mind to brag a little, I could probably do it without looking ridiculous, and I'd still be speaking plain truth all the way. But I'll spare you. I don't want anyone imagining me as anything other than the fool you'd encounter if you saw me on the street or heard me talk. Because of the extravagance of those revelations, and so I wouldn't get a big head, I was given the gift of a handicap to keep me in constant touch with my limitations. Satan's angel did his best to get me down; what he in fact did was push me to my knees. No danger then of walking around high and mighty!
At first I didn't think of it as a gift, and begged God to remove it. Three times I did that, and then he told me, My grace is enough; it's all you need. My strength comes into its own in your weakness. Once I heard that, I was glad to let it happen. I quit focusing on the handicap and began appreciating the gift. It was a case of Christ's strength moving in on my weakness.
Now I take limitations in stride, and with good cheer, these limitations that cut me down to size - abuse, accidents, opposition, bad breaks. I just let Christ take over! And so the weaker I get, the stronger I become.
Truly, God blesses with wealth and plenty ... even in abundance. One would be ignorant of a great amount of scripture not to see that.
My point is that is fine, but I don't care. I just don't lust after it. He gives and takes away. Amen. So be it. Come what may.
You may have heard this story, but I'll tell it anyway:
A king in great delight scattered his most precious possessions in the courtyard, and announced that it is out of love for his subjects that they could come into his courtyard and behold these marvels and treasures. Seeing the crowd and filled with charity, the king announces to all that came, "My beloved," he said, "look around and whatever catches your eye that your heart might desire ... anything in the courtyard ... wrap your arms around it and it shall be yours."
You can imagine how one after another picked beautiful statue and golden sculptures with gladness and the king gave with gladness. However, one boy puzzled and pondered these things.
"Please don't be angry," he said to the king, "Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Of course."
"Really? Have you thought about what this really means?" the boy continued, "I can put my arms around anything in the courtyard and it will belong to me?"
"Try me right now. Test me, my child" said the king with authority, "whatever your heart desires will be yours if you wrap your arms around it."
And with that, the boy fell to his knees and with tears the boy clutched the feet of the king. Now, with greater tears the king said loudly, "You, my child, are wiser than all the rest. You have chosen wisely for it is in possessing me that you possess all I have."
You see?
Beloved, I know God is good and gives to us out of His abundance ... I just don't care. I'm not interested, and I'll happily go without what others have. I have enough of those things. I just want the King.
Can anyone offer Him? Is anyone promoting Him and lifting up Him? What programs and systems are there out there for people like me that want only Him?
Sure, I get it ... some people want the gifts and the treasure. Fine. I understand. My interest is in the Giver. That's just me.
We all get to choose, beloved. What our heart desires will be given. Our heart is revealed through choice and God fixes our choice for us whether we choose Him or the alternative.
Remember the disciples? One asked if they could go and say goodbye to loved ones first. Jesus said to him: "No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." He chose. Jesus fixed his decision for him.
Still other disciples asked to sit at the Lord's right and left hand, and were asked by Jesus if they could drink from the cup that the Lord would drink from. They said to Him, "We are able." He said to them, "My cup you shall drink;..."
Once again, they chose, and the Lord fixed their choice for them, making it real and honoring their decision. And know this, these two disciples did indeed drink from His cup, as they, the sons of Zebedee, were brutally executed for their faith.
Choice. There is lots of it. We choose. God honors and settles our choices. Among the choices are wealth and health and so on. A heart is revealed by choosing those gifts. But for me the best choice is none of those things. I've experienced wealth, and I've experienced something better.
My heart is not into those things. If all those things are "added to me" for seeking Him first, then so be it. If they are not and I am denied claim all the blessings in this life that are promised to those that seek Him first ... then I truly hope that I never notice while enraptured by His companionship.
The requisite for resurrection power is the marks of death. In knowing more about the Lord, I can take each step He has prepared for me, even those that include suffering and discomfort, if needs be. There are things to learn in discomfort that cannot be learned in comfort. We cannot know the peace He provides without turmoil. We cannot expect to learn of deliverance if we are always in safety. We learn through contrasts, and I welcome it.
Here is a head-scratcher for you ... where was Jerusalem before the first day? I'll give you a hint, there are many earthly towns named after the metacosmic Jerusalem, even one of them in New York State, USA ... even one town in Israel. The heavenly Jerusalem that I am talking about is not a part of this cosmos. It is beyond the seven days of creation, and even beyond this universe.
Revelation 21
... the former sky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea. And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ...
Revelation 3:12
... the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which descends from My God out of heaven, and My own new name.
I understand our fascination with the material cosmos, I really do. It is easy to think of something real only in terms with how we can see, touch, taste, or smell it.
When a physical blade scraps through our physical skin, we hurt. We are flooded by our senses that are only in tune with the material (and blind to spritual reality), and so it calls to us with the deception of true substance and reality, when it is nothing more than a figment of time in constant flux ... revealing its identity as transitory and fading. That physical blade, was space dust, then magma, then ore, then a fender, then a can, then a bullet, then a brake-pad, and finally made into a blade. What will it be 100 years from now? 1000 years from now? Its identity is only founded on the figment of temporal illusion. In other words, its identity changes over and over throughout time. When this planet is enveloped by the next supernova, or a blackhole churns this corner of the galaxy again, that physical blade, that seemed so real ... will cease to impress from the grand scope of time. Even less impressive is the creation, with revelation of the Eternal.
Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
The deluge of sensitory input through our five senses, convinces us that only what is physical is what is real. Our minds are given over to materialism, to the point that we begin to think of God's Spirit as something that is less than what is physically apparent. Our materialistic minds lend Spirit less credit as a substance than a faint vapor. Only because it is not seen, nor felt, not touched, nor tasted. Spirit is merely subtle to our senses, it is completely invisible to us ... inaudible ... and immaterial. Yet the mystery is that it is far more substantial than anything that is visible, material, or audible. The Great I AM is that He is that He is. And the creation simply comes and goes ...
So, understand that I can't go along with theology that deminishes God's promises to something as trivial and faint to me as a merely physical material hope and promise, something for our eyes to behold, and hands can touch, and our nose can smell. To me that would tarnish the surpassing luster of what I know of Spirit that is far surpassing what is detected by our physical senses. I view those notions as materialisticly pandering, and carnal invention, and spiritually blind.
2 Corinthians 4:18
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.1 Corinthians 2:7-11
No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"— but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
If an idea of the Kingdom is what I can see with my eyes (like a physical city on a physical planet) then why would I want to gaze at something that cheap and temporary? What is "revealed to me by His Spirit" are things that "eyes cannot see," "nor ears hear," "nor minds conceived." The glory that I am destined for is "before time began" ... even Eternal Life - God's own Life.
Jerusalem, Israel as a residential town, seen with physical eyes, yet it is perisible and transitory, not eternal and absolute as God's Kingdom. The "heavenly Jerusalem" where my hope lies does not have a population of a million, nor billion, nor trillion. The population is 1, for it is the "City of God" and the glory of the nations will be brought into it.
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11/23/05 - From Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear.
Thus says the Lord to His people, who abide in marriage as they should:
As I have given up of My body for all those I love, even unto death, likewise should all those, who love one another, love them as I have loved you. In all ways did I submit unto My bride, which is also My body, even unto the relinquishing of My power over her, nor did I judge My bride. Because of this, she has become My bride. In the same manner, she must give of herself unto Me to make the union complete and everlasting. The Father has given her hand to Me, and I have called unto her, saying, “How I long to gather you into My arms, and love you as My own, and make you My bride. Come and see...I have already prepared a place for you. Become My virgin and accept these robes of white, and walk in them and wear them well, so we can walk together in the Garden, forever and ever.”
Now listen with ears open: As I have done, do likewise, for any bride joined must be cleansed and made fit for her husband. Also, all earthly husbands must also become clean, lest your holy union be unclean. The Father gave you marriage, by which you come together as one, in His name.
So then, when there is division or separation, how then can two come together, as one in the flesh, when a division in spirit remains? I have told you already, and you also know within your hearts, that all those in marriage must first come together in spiritual intimacy, closer than flesh. Then can you fulfill this closeness through that which is fleshly. This is also a gift from the Father and should be treated as such, according to how He has commanded you and how you should receive it and experience it.
Those in marriage can reach new heights of ecstasy through the unification of flesh. Only by this union, being that which is a completion, or a finishing, of love’s desire that you become completely one, because you had first become one in the Spirit, with all thankfulness to God for bringing you together in His name, under His commandments.
One can not give into complete abandonment of oneself, melding into the love of another, unless first absolute trust is established. Trust is earned, not given. So all those, who first trust in God because of what He has done by way of Me, have placed the Cornerstone in their marriage...and from this Foundation can all new and shining houses be built, and those that already exist be strengthened.
When one of you two has an obstacle or stumbling block, then you both have fallen; and as two together, as one, must all these adversities be overcome. All those, who overcome together in Me, will receive even greater things than these which they now think will lead them into happiness. As We, the Father and the Son, are long-suffering, so then shall you be...love is patient.
Remember that any rent, which is not quickly mended, is made worse with time, further tearing away from the fabric of your marriage. Mend all rents speedily, and with a greater thread, and with more tender hands than in the past.
As all things are made new in Me,
so then, all those, who believe in Me,
must be remade in My image, walking in My ways...
so goes restoration in marriage...
your marriage of old must die
and be forgotten through forgiveness,
and be completely remade on a new foundation...
This is a process, My beloved little ones.
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10/28/04 - From God the Father, A Letter Given to Timothy - For Timothy and His Wife, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear.
God the Father:
When lying together, remember the decrees of God concerning these things of sex and intimacy:
You shall not lie with another outside of marriage...with your spouse only shall you lie.
Even sex before marriage, called fornication, is adultery.
You shall not think of others, but your spouse only, nor of unnatural acts.
You shall not lie with your wife during her monthly shedding of blood.
You shall not partake in sodomy.
You shall not behold others in sin (pornography) with your eyes. To do so is to sin with them.
No man or woman, in all creation, shall lie with another of their same gender. This is abomination in the eyes of the Most High and full of blasphemy! I gave unto man, by Adam, woman. From his side did I form her, and he who was one became two, and they two became one again in marriage...two of one flesh...man and woman. I saw that it was very good.
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Excerpt from: Volume 6. > Understand Love, Know Forgiveness...Partake of the Whole Fruit of the Spirit, and Make It Part of You.
[Jesus speaking:] Here is wisdom: Following one’s desire for love is not sin, but giving into temptation, which is against the commandments of God, is sin, and will only lead to pain. Physical love is reserved unto marriage as a special gift, whose outcome leads to great and lasting depths of love in marriage, bringing forth more gifts from God in the form of your children, who are the fulfillment of that love, being equally you and your husband in them. Oh. what joy to those, who have the blessing of children. Even those who have not conceived, or were not able, who have complete faith in Me, shall receive many children in My Kingdom to come. To all children is the Kingdom assured.
My Kingdom is coming...all My sparrows shall fly to Me. Amen.
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I created a flickr photostream to house and display charts and graphs of the markers and signs indicating the end of the age. Please send me other graphics if you find some to be added to my stream.
Thanks,
Trent
1. Signs of the End of This Age - Present Time
This includes earthquakes, wars, storms, Israel's statehood, etc., as foretold by the prophets and Jesus in the Bible. These are not part of the judgments, but are just markers or signs of the end of the age. At this time, Jesus is separating the "wheat" from the "tares" as told of in the New Testament. (For signs of the end of the age, please read Matthew 24 and Luke 21. The "wheat" and the "tares" parable is Matthew 13:24-29).
2. First Resurrection. First Harvest of the End of This Age.
This first resurrection is for those who belong to Christ, both those who have died in Christ and those who are still alive. At this time, Jesus is gathering the "wheat" into His barn. The redeemed have to be gathered up before the judgments and tribulation start because the innocent and forgiven(those who are truly converted in their hearts, in whom Jesus sees of Himself) will not be judged or punished. "For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive, and are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." (Thessalonians 4:16-17)
3. Seven Years of Judgments from God & Tribulation from the Antichrist
During the seven years of judgments from God, He will: Judge the people, punish the wicked, and loose more harvest (the wild wheat) from the hand of the evil one. All, who call on Jesus' name during this time of tribulation, will be saved. The judgments include the plagues, etc. as told of in the book of Revelation. These plagues are literal...by no other means will the people be awakened or their hearts softened. The tribulation is from the antichrist (beast) and includes the persecution of the new believers and his war against them. The Second Harvest takes place during these seven years. Any believer, dying during this time, goes directly to Jesus, to be with those of the First Harvest.
4. Christ Returns and Establishes His Kingdom on Earth
When Christ returns, He will destroy the antichrist (beast) and his false prophet. Jesus will bind satan for one thousand years, and He will bind all the "tares" or wicked, who are left, and destroy them. (The "tares" are destroyed, a permanent state - not an endless torment). The beast's army will be destroyed with the sword of Jesus' mouth and the brightness of His coming.
5. Thousand Year Millennium - Seventh Day, a Period of Resting and a Reward for the Redeemed
This period of one thousand years is a period of resting and a reward for the redeemed. They will live and reign, with Christ, on earth. During this millennium, satan is bound. He will not be able to tempt the people.
6. Second Resurrection. Satan is released.
At the end of the thousand year millennium, satan is released one last time. Also resurrected, during this time, are all those who did not take part in the First Resurrection.
7. Final Judgment
All the books will be opened. This is the time of final decision for those who were not part of the First Resurrection. All prophets, who have ever lived, will be proclaiming the truth to the great multitude outside the gates. All people, who have chosen Christ, from the beginning until now, will be safely inside the gates. Also during this time, the newly redeemed will be welcomed in the gates, before the final battle happens.
8. Final Battle
Satan, and all those who follow him, will rage war against the holy city and the Lord. All of satan's army will be consumed by the fire from Heaven. Satan will be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet were thrown. All of the books, and death, will also be cast into the lake of fire. Anyone, whose name is not written in the Book of Life, shall be cast therein.
9. Eternity with the Lord...We will be forever with the Lord. Amen.
"Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Revelation 21:3-4
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